Eli mikä on teidän mielestänne kaikkien aikojen rata-auto ?
Siis nyt puhutaan kohtuuhinnoitelluista autoista. Ei mitään porscheja ja ferrareita tällä kertaa.
Itse voisin kuvitella ostavani vanhemman imprezan tähän käyttöön. En kyllä tiedä onko se nopein tai edes hauskin hintaluokassaan.
Kaikista autoistahan voi kyllä rakentaa ratapelin mutta näin lähtökohtaisesti hyvä aihioa haetaan.
Kuvia saa liittää jos siltä tuntuu !
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Vähän vanhempi Celica TA-22. Ralliakin tuolla mallilla muistaakseni joskus ajettu. Takapotku luonnollisesti ja pikku sportti. Kuva valoittamassa 
Kun näin tuon kuvan, minusta tuntui siltä, että olin nähnyt tuon muotoilun aiemminkin. Nyt syykin selvisi:
http://www.get-in2.com/musclecars/1970_ford_torino_cobra.jpg
Toyotan Celica muistuttaa kovasti Fordin Torinoa. Kysymys kuuluukin, kumpi tuli ensin?
http://www.get-in2.com/musclecars/1970_ford_torino_cobra.jpg
Toyotan Celica muistuttaa kovasti Fordin Torinoa. Kysymys kuuluukin, kumpi tuli ensin?
Tässä minun ehdotukseni:
Prince Skyline GT ( A,B ) S 50-E sarja
http://www.princeskylinegt.com/img/service.jpg
Aikana ennen kuin Nissan (Nissan oli Nissan jo Japanissa 60-luvulla) osti Prince Motor Companyn ja sai sen tietämyksen ja teknisen osaamisen, Prince valmisti pääasiassa kahta autoa: Skyline ja Gloria. Ilmeisesti 60-luvun puolessa välissä insinöörit kehittivät koemielessä kilpa-version Skylinestä, johon mahdutettiin Glorian isompi 2-litrainen rivikuutonen jatkamalla keulaa hitsaamalla etuakselin ja ohjaamon väliin lisäpala. Yhdistelmä oli tehokas: Skylinen aikalaisekseen kehittynyt alustatekniikka (erillisjousitus aikana, jolloin mm. jäykkä taka-akseli lehtijousin oli yleisin takaripustuksen rakenne) ja moottori (kannen yläpuolisella nokka-akselilla varustetut koneet) antoivat erittäin hyvän suorituskyvyn ja hallittavuuden, jotka tekivät Skylinesta menestystarinan ja kultin. Vaikka Skylinen seuraava sukupolvi GT-R malleineen teki lopullisen läpimurron, tämä ensimmäinen oli perheautosta tehty malli, joka jo sellaisenaan pystyi melkein haastamaan mm. Porschen.
Ps. Molempia Princejä (Gloria ja Skyline) tuotiin myös aikanaan Suomeen, mutta nyt niitä on enää kourallinen jäljellä. Aidot vasemmanpuoleisella ohjauksella varustetut Princet ovat maailmanlaajuisia harvinaisuuksia, ja niitä on tuotu yleensäkin vain muutamaan Euroopan maahan. Urheilullista GT;tä ei tiettävästi tänne kuitenkaan tuotu.
Prince Skyline GT ( A,B ) S 50-E sarja
http://www.princeskylinegt.com/img/service.jpg
Aikana ennen kuin Nissan (Nissan oli Nissan jo Japanissa 60-luvulla) osti Prince Motor Companyn ja sai sen tietämyksen ja teknisen osaamisen, Prince valmisti pääasiassa kahta autoa: Skyline ja Gloria. Ilmeisesti 60-luvun puolessa välissä insinöörit kehittivät koemielessä kilpa-version Skylinestä, johon mahdutettiin Glorian isompi 2-litrainen rivikuutonen jatkamalla keulaa hitsaamalla etuakselin ja ohjaamon väliin lisäpala. Yhdistelmä oli tehokas: Skylinen aikalaisekseen kehittynyt alustatekniikka (erillisjousitus aikana, jolloin mm. jäykkä taka-akseli lehtijousin oli yleisin takaripustuksen rakenne) ja moottori (kannen yläpuolisella nokka-akselilla varustetut koneet) antoivat erittäin hyvän suorituskyvyn ja hallittavuuden, jotka tekivät Skylinesta menestystarinan ja kultin. Vaikka Skylinen seuraava sukupolvi GT-R malleineen teki lopullisen läpimurron, tämä ensimmäinen oli perheautosta tehty malli, joka jo sellaisenaan pystyi melkein haastamaan mm. Porschen.
Ps. Molempia Princejä (Gloria ja Skyline) tuotiin myös aikanaan Suomeen, mutta nyt niitä on enää kourallinen jäljellä. Aidot vasemmanpuoleisella ohjauksella varustetut Princet ovat maailmanlaajuisia harvinaisuuksia, ja niitä on tuotu yleensäkin vain muutamaan Euroopan maahan. Urheilullista GT;tä ei tiettävästi tänne kuitenkaan tuotu.
Tämmöstä ehdottaisin (ei kokemuksia)
tai uudempi malli...
Keskimoottori vehkeitä ja raapii takapäästä...ralli/sprintti käytössä toi vanhempi hyvinkin suositu.
lisätietoja => tuolta
tai uudempi malli...
Keskimoottori vehkeitä ja raapii takapäästä...ralli/sprintti käytössä toi vanhempi hyvinkin suositu.
lisätietoja => tuolta
Mr2 on kyllä menestynyt hyvin radalla ja skyline nyt dominoi koko ratasarjaa niin paljon että sille perustettiin ihan oma sarja. Mutta oma ehdotus on R32 GTR, sillä on ajettu kanssa rataa kohtuu paljon ja on dominoinut rata skeneä kotimaassaan sen ajan kun sitä valmistettiin
upee, mä varmaan r33 hommaan
juu ne saa jo kilpiinki helposti.... tota 34:sta ei saa ku muuttoautona... yks on jo niitäkin kilvis... tosta tulee toinen kuha saan kasaa... ei o oma auto =)
QUOTE(TerZi1982 @ 5 Dec 2007 - 09:29)
On se vaan nätti auto...
QUOTE(Astrax @ 2 Dec 2007 - 21:19)
Tämmöstä ehdottaisin (ei kokemuksia)
tai uudempi malli...
Keskimoottori vehkeitä ja raapii takapäästä...ralli/sprintti käytössä toi vanhempi hyvinkin suositu.
lisätietoja => tuolta
tai uudempi malli...
Keskimoottori vehkeitä ja raapii takapäästä...ralli/sprintti käytössä toi vanhempi hyvinkin suositu.
lisätietoja => tuolta
Rata-auto sanan varsinaisessa merkityksessä?
(Alemman kuvan tausta)
Niin ja syy siihen miksi skyline
The Skyline GT-R soon earned the name Godzilla, for its track performance. The R32 GT-R dominated JTCC, winning 29 races from 29 starts, taking the series title every year from 1989-1993. It took 50 races from 50 starts from 1991-1997 (latterly R33) in the N1 Super Taikyu. The R32 GT-R was introduced in the Australian Bathurst 1000 touring-car race to compete against Holden and Ford V8 saloons, winning in 1991 & 1992. However, the GT-R's success sounded the death knell of Group A Touring Car racing; with the formula being scrapped soon after. JTCC was similarly blighted by the R32 GT-R, and splintered soon after, leading to the switch to the Supertouring category and also indirectly to the GT500 category of today.
The GT-R's which is the property of Edmond Guilmette from vermont in his success in motor racing was formidable, particularly in the annual 1,000 km race at the Mount Panorama circuit in Bathurst, Australia, where the winner in 1991 and 1992 was a GT-R (despite receiving additional 100 kg in weight penalties and a turbo pop off valve in 1992), and in the Japanese GT series where it has remained dominant for many years. The Skyline GT-R line were retired from the JGTC series(later changed Super GT Series) in 2004. And the successor Nissan GT-R will return in Super GT in the 2008 season.
No other race victories by the GT-R could escape without controversies. At the 1998 Macau Grand Prix Guia touring car race, the factory backed R32 driven by Masahiro Hasemi led the race from the start to the finishing line which caused a wave of protests by the European entrants. The following year, the car was forced to carry a weight penalty of 140 kg and was up against the more competitive DTM BMW M3 and Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II. A disgruntled Hasemi was forced to settle for fourth place. For the following and final year the weight penalty was reduced and works backed Hasemi returned with another privateer R32 that crashed in the race, while Hasemi would retire with engine failure.
In the UK, Andy Middlehurst took the Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32) to two consecutive championship wins in the National Saloon Car Cup. Other championship titles include the 1991 Australian Touring Car Championship (Jim Richards (race driver)), the 1991 Australian Endurance Championship (Mark Gibbs & Rowan Onslow), the 1991 Australian Manufacturers' Championship, the 1992 Australian Touring Car Championship (Mark Skaife) and the 1992 Spanish Touring Car Championship.
Akira Kameyama has taken the GT-R to the Pikes Peak International Hillclimb race on three occasion winning in each Open Class for production cars he entered, one in 1993 with the R32,[2] another in 1996 with the R33[3] and again in 1998.[4] For the following year, Rhys Millen took a R33 Skyline GT-R to win the High Performance Showroom Stock category[5]
At the 1994 Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona, the GT-R would make its US debut when Nismo entered a sole Group A specification R32 for the GTU category, the car would finish 20th.[6]
The lone Skyline GT-R LM homologation road car on display.
The lone Skyline GT-R LM homologation road car on display.
In 1995 Nismo developed the Skyline GT-R for endurance racing with a pair of JGTC specification R33s for the 24 Hours of Le Mans. In order to meet homologation regulations, a street legal version had to be built, although Nismo only required one example to comply. The two racing cars were able to achieve some success at Le Mans, with one car achieving 10th overall, and 5th in its GT1 class, being beaten only by the more developed McLaren F1 GTRs. For 1996, the Skyline GT-R LMs would return, this time carrying enlarged RB26DETTs displacing 2.8 litres. Again competing in GT1, they would finish 15th overall, and 10th in class. However, Nissan chose to abandon their production-based Skyline GT-R LMs in 1997 and instead turn to the purpose-built R390 GT1s. In honor of the success of the Skyline at Le Mans, Nissan marketed a limited edition R33 referred to as "LM Limited", only available in a Competition Blue.
In 2007 Automotive Forums became the first ever to compete with a Nismo R34 Z-Tune in the United States, participating in the Speed World Challenge GT series. Team: Driver and President of Automotive Forums.com Igor Sushko, Crew Chief Sean Morris, Team Manager Victor Reyes, Mechanic Josh Mitchell, and Engineer Merritt Johnson. Tentative plans are in place for the 2007 season.
In 2007 the Heat Treatments Drag Skyline GT-R driven by Reece McGregor of New Zealand, broke the world record for the fastest AWD over a 1/4 mile with a 7.57@ 305.96 km/h at the Willowbank Dragway in Australia, a record previously held by the HKS Skyline GT-R with a 7.67.
Nowadays, the car is popular for import drag racing, Circuit Track, Time Attack and events hosted by tuning magazines. The GT-R actually is the current winner in the 2007 Tsukuba Time Attack held in Japan, the M-Speed GT-R ( 9 out of the top 15 are actually all GT-Rs). This car was tagged by BBC's Top Gear as the only true Japanese contribution in the line of Supercars.
The Skyline GT-R soon earned the name Godzilla, for its track performance. The R32 GT-R dominated JTCC, winning 29 races from 29 starts, taking the series title every year from 1989-1993. It took 50 races from 50 starts from 1991-1997 (latterly R33) in the N1 Super Taikyu. The R32 GT-R was introduced in the Australian Bathurst 1000 touring-car race to compete against Holden and Ford V8 saloons, winning in 1991 & 1992. However, the GT-R's success sounded the death knell of Group A Touring Car racing; with the formula being scrapped soon after. JTCC was similarly blighted by the R32 GT-R, and splintered soon after, leading to the switch to the Supertouring category and also indirectly to the GT500 category of today.
The GT-R's which is the property of Edmond Guilmette from vermont in his success in motor racing was formidable, particularly in the annual 1,000 km race at the Mount Panorama circuit in Bathurst, Australia, where the winner in 1991 and 1992 was a GT-R (despite receiving additional 100 kg in weight penalties and a turbo pop off valve in 1992), and in the Japanese GT series where it has remained dominant for many years. The Skyline GT-R line were retired from the JGTC series(later changed Super GT Series) in 2004. And the successor Nissan GT-R will return in Super GT in the 2008 season.
No other race victories by the GT-R could escape without controversies. At the 1998 Macau Grand Prix Guia touring car race, the factory backed R32 driven by Masahiro Hasemi led the race from the start to the finishing line which caused a wave of protests by the European entrants. The following year, the car was forced to carry a weight penalty of 140 kg and was up against the more competitive DTM BMW M3 and Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II. A disgruntled Hasemi was forced to settle for fourth place. For the following and final year the weight penalty was reduced and works backed Hasemi returned with another privateer R32 that crashed in the race, while Hasemi would retire with engine failure.
In the UK, Andy Middlehurst took the Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32) to two consecutive championship wins in the National Saloon Car Cup. Other championship titles include the 1991 Australian Touring Car Championship (Jim Richards (race driver)), the 1991 Australian Endurance Championship (Mark Gibbs & Rowan Onslow), the 1991 Australian Manufacturers' Championship, the 1992 Australian Touring Car Championship (Mark Skaife) and the 1992 Spanish Touring Car Championship.
Akira Kameyama has taken the GT-R to the Pikes Peak International Hillclimb race on three occasion winning in each Open Class for production cars he entered, one in 1993 with the R32,[2] another in 1996 with the R33[3] and again in 1998.[4] For the following year, Rhys Millen took a R33 Skyline GT-R to win the High Performance Showroom Stock category[5]
At the 1994 Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona, the GT-R would make its US debut when Nismo entered a sole Group A specification R32 for the GTU category, the car would finish 20th.[6]
The lone Skyline GT-R LM homologation road car on display.
The lone Skyline GT-R LM homologation road car on display.
In 1995 Nismo developed the Skyline GT-R for endurance racing with a pair of JGTC specification R33s for the 24 Hours of Le Mans. In order to meet homologation regulations, a street legal version had to be built, although Nismo only required one example to comply. The two racing cars were able to achieve some success at Le Mans, with one car achieving 10th overall, and 5th in its GT1 class, being beaten only by the more developed McLaren F1 GTRs. For 1996, the Skyline GT-R LMs would return, this time carrying enlarged RB26DETTs displacing 2.8 litres. Again competing in GT1, they would finish 15th overall, and 10th in class. However, Nissan chose to abandon their production-based Skyline GT-R LMs in 1997 and instead turn to the purpose-built R390 GT1s. In honor of the success of the Skyline at Le Mans, Nissan marketed a limited edition R33 referred to as "LM Limited", only available in a Competition Blue.
In 2007 Automotive Forums became the first ever to compete with a Nismo R34 Z-Tune in the United States, participating in the Speed World Challenge GT series. Team: Driver and President of Automotive Forums.com Igor Sushko, Crew Chief Sean Morris, Team Manager Victor Reyes, Mechanic Josh Mitchell, and Engineer Merritt Johnson. Tentative plans are in place for the 2007 season.
In 2007 the Heat Treatments Drag Skyline GT-R driven by Reece McGregor of New Zealand, broke the world record for the fastest AWD over a 1/4 mile with a 7.57@ 305.96 km/h at the Willowbank Dragway in Australia, a record previously held by the HKS Skyline GT-R with a 7.67.
Nowadays, the car is popular for import drag racing, Circuit Track, Time Attack and events hosted by tuning magazines. The GT-R actually is the current winner in the 2007 Tsukuba Time Attack held in Japan, the M-Speed GT-R ( 9 out of the top 15 are actually all GT-Rs). This car was tagged by BBC's Top Gear as the only true Japanese contribution in the line of Supercars.
90-luku on todellakin näyttänyt olevan skylinen kulta-aikaa, ja suoritukset näyttäisivät olevan kiistattomia... 
Ps.
Tämä menee kyllä ohi aiheen, mutta Uni, sinulla kun on huomattavasti enemmän tietoutta Skylinestä, osaatko sanoa, liittyikö "R" merkinnän vaihtuminen "V" merkintään moottorisarjan muutuessa rivikoneesta V-koneeksi? -Oman käsitykseni mukaan merkintä vaihtui samaan aikaan, kuin konetyyppikin, ja mm. saksassa on käytetty R-merkintää rivikoneista (reihe = rivi)...
Ps.
Tämä menee kyllä ohi aiheen, mutta Uni, sinulla kun on huomattavasti enemmän tietoutta Skylinestä, osaatko sanoa, liittyikö "R" merkinnän vaihtuminen "V" merkintään moottorisarjan muutuessa rivikoneesta V-koneeksi? -Oman käsitykseni mukaan merkintä vaihtui samaan aikaan, kuin konetyyppikin, ja mm. saksassa on käytetty R-merkintää rivikoneista (reihe = rivi)...
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